1. Mikagami Kouki
After their relative success as a doujinshi circle, they decide to relax. Kirino has noticed that there is a circle called EBS with a very stylish emblem that Saori thinks looks similar to the emblem of Eternal, a famous make-up brand (Saori sent Kirino some doujinshi in a box of that brand, which she almost opened in front of Ayase and Kanako) It turns out that the circle’s vendor is cosplaying, and Kyousuke remembers that Sena had seen someone cosplaying and she claimed it was a guy… and, yes, on a closer look it’s a handsome guy.
Saori immediately realizes, although she doesn’t say anything, that the handmade accessories the circle is selling are the work of a professional, and to her surprise they are selling them at the ridiculous price of 500 yen (6 dollars) Once again, the not so veiled hint that there’s more to Saori that meets the eye. On paper, it was already stated in volume 6 that Saori is an ojousama who has many sides to her, but the fact that she seems to be extremely familiar with fashion makes me think that this will grow in importance later on, and not only as a way of contrasting Saori’s usual otaku style with her actual fashion tastes.
There’s an accessory that Kuroneko likes, that looks like a rosary, but she doesn’t have any cash, so Kyousuke buys it for her. The vendor suggests that he could put it around Kuroneko’s neck, but if he did that, it would look as if it was a present for her!
“Is… is it OK?”
She looks at him as if she wanted to say something.
“Is there something on my face?”
“No, I was just thinking…”
It is at this point that they notice that Kirino has stayed behind. I wonder if it has to do with the fact that Kyousuke and Ruri were having a very rabu rabu moment, or if it’s just because, as we immediately find out, that guy is actually an acquaintance of Kirino, who greets her. He is Mikagami Kouki, a coworker of Kirino, model and famous, gifted designer… who is also an otaku. Kyousuke feels it’s a similar situation to last year, when they met Ayase, but this time it’s pretty different.
So well, Mikagami is an 18-year-old guy, like Kyousuke, and precisely three years older than Kirino (once more, the fact that she wants a boyfriend who is exactly three years older than him is called to mind) Not only that, he is handsome, he is famous, he is a gifted designer… and now Kirino finds out that he’s an otaku (as a matter of fact he became a designer because he liked designing anime-related goods when he was a kid. As can be seen, being an otaku is often more than a hobby)
Kyousuke feels threatened, as Kirino and Mikagami happily discuss eroge. He decides to ask them what their exact relationship is and they are very vague about it. Misaki-san (the manager who wanted Kirino to go overseas) introduced them and after that they met a couple of times. Of course, it’s starting to look as if they were dating, although we will find out the truth at the end. But at any rate, Kyousuke can’t help but feel that Kirino has finally found a replacement for him. He should feel relieved…
Another interesting line. Mikagami refers to the fact that his big brother, who isn’t an otaku, is participating and he’s happy, although his brother got a little carried away. Kirino replies “Yes, yes, I know what you mean. You are happy that he’s helping you, you are thankful, but if they get too much into it it’s bothersome” Kyousuke guesses she’s referring to his attitude last year, but it’s interesting to know that the tsuntsun Kirino was “happy and thankful”
Although it’s not largely related to what matters the most, that is Kyousuke’s relationships with the girls, there is one interesting concept that I have often talked about. Mikagami wishes people would know about the awesomeness of eroge, he wishes to just publicly talk about it, but Kirino strongly disagrees. It’s understandable Mikagami is passionate about eroge, but apart from probably destroying his career, it would also draw unwanted attention from the media to certain… “interesting” scenes in eroge. I really agree with Kirino. Much as I’d be happy if people were interested in otaku stuff, it would also mean that society at large would become more aware of what otaku culture is, rather than seeing as something vague and fuzzy. In other words, people may see you as weird for being an otaku, because people look down upon anyone who isn’t into mainstream stuff. But the less the general public knows about lolicon or siscon, for example, the better.
Later at a fast food restaurant, Kyousuke says some hateful things about Mikagami, and Kirino reproaches him for engaging in backbiting, but Kyousuke gets angry because Kirino does the same with Manami after all.
2. Post-comiket party
The following day Ruri and Kyousuke go to school to meet the others at the club. After that, there will be a small party at Kyousuke’s with Kirino, Saori, Ruri and himself. Ruri notices that Kyousuke looks worried and tells him she can guess what it is.
“You are thinking ‘if that guy was Kirino’s boyfriend, I’m not needed any longer’”
Kyousuke stops. They are in front of his house.
“Is that your ‘dark power’ too?”
“Even if I don’t use it, I can tell. Because… I’m always looking at you”
“If you say that, it can cause misunderstandings”
“I… I don’t mind”
“So… do you like me?”
“I do. When it comes to liking you, I wouldn’t lose to your sister”
This is similar, but way more emphatic, to what Ruri told Kyousuke in Volume 5. I know there are some people who argue that Kirino doesn’t have romantic feelings for Kyousuke, but after all that we’ve seen, and after what we’ll see in this chapter, I think it’s difficult to maintain it. We already know what Ruri’s feelings for Kyousuke are. And we know that she acknowledges Kirino as her rival. Why say that, if it wasn’t because she’s aware of Kirino’s feelings for Kyousuke?
Kyousuke asks Ruri about the kiss, but Kirino suddenly opens the door and tells them to come in. But before they follow Kirino, Ruri pulls Kyousuke by the sleeve. She still has something to tell him.
“From that time, I’ve been thinking. I didn’t know what to do. I felt that whichever I chose, I would regret it. I had never been so hesitant. And in the end, I have decided to learn from a certain person, and be honest about my own desires. I will become greedy. I’m sure that that girl wouldn’t give up either”
“I don’t understand you…”
“I don’t care, just listen. I will do whatever it takes so I can get what I desire”
First of all, I just love how good Ruri has become at dealing with dense people like Kyousuke. Instead of going around in circles with him saying “I don’t understand” all the time, she just tells him to shut up and listen. I suppose that that “girl” is Kirino, the one who became honest, but I wonder what she exactly means, since Kirino, even if it’s true that right now her brocon feelings are now intense, doesn’t seem to have accepted, loud and clear, that she loves Kyousuke—at least in a way he understands. It’s obvious that the reason why Ruri hadn’t gone on the offensive yet had been Kirino, since going out with Kyousuke might mean losing Kirino. However, something tells me that there was something that made her change her mind. Perhaps when they went on a date and she saw them, she realized that at this rate she might lose to her.
It’s obvious that Kirino overheard them, and there’s a tense atmosphere. Nobody speaks, except for Saori who doesn’t understand what’s going on and tells Kirino that, whatever happens, she will be her ally, clearly not being aware that this means not being Ruri’s ally. It’s the first time that we see Saori not being mindful of the situation. Kirino finally explodes, and tells them she has something to announce. She is going out with Mikagami.
“We even kissed”
Kuroneko glares at her.
“You…”
“Do you want to say something to me” says Kirino defiantly.
Kuroneko doesn’t reply and they try to start the party, but it’s useless. Before leaving, Ruri says that she can’t waste her time with a brat. In my opinion, and as usual I’m not that good at analyzing characters’ intentions, Ruri hates the idea of Kirino giving up on Kyousuke without a fight, which would demonstrate Ruri’s complicated feelings.
Kyousuke and Saori inquire more about it. Kirino says they’ve been dating for some time after she came back from the US and that he’s after all handsome, rich and talented. And he said that he would never cheat on her. And he listens to what she says. Unlike somebody. Clear as crystal. She feels that Kyousuke cheats on her with Manami and Ruri, and he never listens to what she says… or understands her feelings. Kyousuke gets really angry, and Kirino leaves.
Kyousuke feels sorry above all for Saori. As we learned in volume 6, she has always feared she would lose her friends, in the same way she lost her friends after her sister left. Saori however reassures him that it’s not his fault, but he keeps blaming himself. Saori tells him that this time, she may not be able to solve this by herself, so Kyousuke promises to help her, although he fears he might fail. She tells him to be more confident, but he thinks that she’s overestimating him. In that case, if you fail, says Saori (the real one, taking off her glasses), you will have to take responsibility.You will become the guy who destroyed our community.
3. 17 August
That day, Kirino brings her boyfriend over. Their father got angry and fled to his room, and Kyousuke is extremely rude to him so Kirino tells him to leave as well. He talks to his dad, who thinks that it’s too soon for Kirino to get a boyfriend. For some reason, Kyousuke ends up defending Mikagami. After all, he seems to be a nice, serious guy; he’s talented and rich, and he seemed to get along with Kirino really well. And nowadays girls have boyfriends at a young age, and Kirino always knows what she’s doing. And Kyousuke knows that what he’s saying is right… so why does he feel so angry? There could be no better guy for Kirino than him. And it should be Kirino who should decide.
However, his father is so against the idea that he wants to go downstairs and beat the poor guy up. He doesn’t care if he loses his job. So Kyousuke offers to go instead (which pretty much mirrors what happened when Kyousuke offered to get rid of Kirino’s collection) Kyousuke admits that his feelings are the same to his father’s.
This parallel between Kyousuke not wanting to give his sister to another guy, and their father not wanting to give his daughter to another guy, is, as usual, yet another way of being hazy about Kyousuke’s feelings. Since we can safely assume that the father has no romantic feelings for Kirino, we can infer that it’s the same for Kyousuke. I think that at this point, there’s no way of telling if Kyousuke’s feelings are, after all; if only those of an overprotective brother or if there’s something else. But, as we are going to find out now, I think that Kirino’s love for him is only too evident.
In Kyousuke fashion, the first thing he does when he comes into the living room (the mother has left meanwhile) is… to get on his knees and apologize to them. He tells Kirino that it’s true that in the past he told her she could do whatever she decides, but he’s taking it back. He doesn’t want her to go out with a guy. Why? He doesn’t understand (again, this vagueness about his feelings!) But as a brother, he can’t accept it, much though he knows she should be the one to decide. He also goes on to say that he doesn’t know why she got angry yesterday, but he’d like to eventually apologize in an honest way.
“Late… it’s too late” cries Kirino.
To Mikagami, he says that he won’t give her to him.
“I’m sorry, but Kirino is more important to me than is to you”
“So you wouldn’t give her to any boy you don’t approve of?”
But Kirino gets angry… so angry she hits the table and throws some cakes at his face. How can Kyousuke say that when he’s always flirting with Manami and “that black one”? And she adds something incredibly interesting:
“And that time you had such a disgusted face, so why now all of a sudden are you saying that”
She says “that time” That should be when she asked him to become her (fake) boyfriend, so here, after the whole novel, after spoilers and speculations, we can conclude that there was more truth to it than it seemed. I can imagine her disappointment when Kyousuke didn’t seem to like the idea, after saying he was a siscon. To add insult to injury, Kyousuke doesn’t seem to understand and asks her what Manami or Kuroneko have to do with this.
Crying, she tells him that it was all a lie. Mikagami isn’t her boyfriend. He confirms this.
“There was something she wanted her brother to realize” — Kyousuke, what a surprise, doesn’t understand. Kirino tries to explain it, but she can’t say it. She’s crying and Kyousuke can’t endure seeing her suffer, and tells her it’s OK if she doesn’t want to say it. Whether this means he may have guessed what she was going to say or not is unclear, but it can’t be ruled out.
So this fake boyfriend thingy is I think the evidence that Kirino loves Kyousuke. This volume was nothing but a battle between the two heroines, Kirino and Kuroneko, over one very dense guy called Kyousuke. Seeing that she might lose to Kirino when she was showing her “boyfriend” around during their date, Kuroneko went to unprecedented lengths to win Kyousuke’s heart. The birth of Shironeko, for a shy girl to be so straight… Which of course was now a threat to Kirino. To explain why so fast, and why Mikagami, we needed one last piece of the puzzle. Mikagami was told by the manager to try to convince Kirino to leave, so that’s why they knew each other. Of course, Kirino saw through her plans immediately. Having met him at Comiket and having heard fellow brocon Sena’s own story, she made up her mind to carry out her plan after Kuroneko almost confessed her love to Kyousuke in front of their house. In fact, her feelings must be really strong for Kyousuke, since this episode contrasts handsome otaku overachiever Mikagami with plain, talentless (?) Kyousuke, and yet it is Kyousuke who is passionately loved by Kirino.
By the way, there was no need for Kyousuke to worry. There’s already a girl Mikagami likes, and that’s not Kirino. It’s a 2D girl. I almost cried manly tears.
One last thing before we reach the end of the novel. When their mother sees Kirino crying, she shouts, and allow me to quote it in Japanese first.
「ついに妹に手を出したのね！？」
OK. I think it could be translated as “You finally put your hands on your sister?!”
Kyousuke denies it, but she says a neighbor saw them during their date.
「まさか兄妹で三角関係だなんて。。。。。！ ダメよ！ お母さん絶対許しませんからね！」
Which could be translated as “To think that there would be a love triangle between siblings! That’s unacceptable! I won’t permit it”
In principle it’s very obvious that she thinks the date was for real and Kyousuke after some tense moments finally manages to clear up the misunderstanding. To understand what I want to say, I need to tell you about a certain conversation in the forum where we discussed that an incest ending might be difficult because the oreimo world is fairly realistic and, unless they want to turn it into a drama, Kyousuke x Kirino might be difficult as society vehemently rejects this type of relationship.
For the first time, we can see what a person who, how to say, has a more prominent role in society, their mother, thinks of this possibility — so far we’ve known what teenagers thought and it’s never been seen as a strict taboo. Their mother’s reaction seems to be negative. Here I am asking for the help of people who have a better command of Japanese than myself. While my Japanese allows me to read and understand light novels or watch anime, I cannot analyze this kind of subtleties. For example, let’s take the first adverb in the first sentence. ついに, tsui ni. It means “finally, at last” That is, it could imply she was expecting that to happen. I wonder, why didn’t she act before? Incest is supposed to be a rigid, deep-seated, horrible taboo, and she didn’t do anything to protect her little daughter from a brute (sic) like Kyousuke?
Also, is it normal for so many “ね” “ne” particles to be there, when they usually soften the tone. She’s supposed to be disgusted, to find it completely gross. Is it normal for her to use those particles? It sounds kind of soft to me. Finally, she calls herself “お母さん” (mom) It is fairly normal, but it sounds too friendly for this situation. It’s true she calls him a “brute”, etc. It’s probably only me, but could someone who speaks Japanese better than I do corroborate if she sounds less angry than she should in that situation? I think that’s fairly important.
Let’s imagine she… she could reluctantly accept it. The father doesn’t want to “give” Kirino to any random guy but… what about our trustworthy Kyousuke? We can always dream.
4. The Curse
Afterwards, Kuroneko wants to meet Kyousuke at school. She has made up with Kirino, after a long call, but she won’t tell Kyousuke what they talked about. Since they made up, I wonder what it was. A truce? Kirino lets Kuroneko win? I’m sure that will be very important in volume 8.
So in a very beautiful way, Ruri says she wants to “lift the curse”. Kyousuke imagines it could be another kiss (and seems to be looking forward to it!) She calls him a “shameless male” (male using the word for animal gender in Japanese), and announces that the curse cannot be lifted. But if he grants her her wish, another curse will be lifted. His curse will be overwritten by a more powerful curse.
A few days after that, they became lovers.
Is this the final stage in Kuroneko’s transformation into Shironeko/Ruri? I can say that she’s become to me the most adorable character in Oreimo, so Kirino must not give up and fight! She’s a walking deredere bomb. If her deredere explodes, she might become one of the most moe girls out there!
Apparently the author has stated that he wants to keep Oreimo as a comedy, which I really appreciate. So I’m glad Saori and Kirino’s relationship didn’t (apparently?) deteriorate too much. However, it seems unlikely that Kirino would accept defeat. I just hope that neither of the girls gets deeply hurt, they don’t deserve it. Ruri becoming Kyousuke’s lover now either means she’s the chosen one, or that it’s her “bad end” flag, but I wouldn’t like to see her feelings hurt.
Of course, we don’t know anything about what Ruri and Kirino talked about, and we don’t know what Kyousuke truly feels. We only know they are now lovers. No matter what happens, once again a huge cliffhanger and I have a feeling that, after reading this volume, I know as little about what Kyousuke’s feelings are and what direction the series may take as I knew when I finished volume 6. But one thing cannot be denied, Oreimo is awesome.
You can also discuss Oreimo volume 7 in the forum
End of summaries of Volume 7
Will there be an 8th volume!?
Yeah. At least, nothing has been said implying this was the last volume
NO. NO NO NO NO NO NO RURI!!!! D: This totally screams “go out for a couple weeks/months” and then “Your heart wasn’t really into this relationship was it” moment. T____T
Or it could be a sign of the harem end. @_@ Could be that Ruri agreed to be the cover story while… but then…
gaaaah, too unlikely T_T. At least we can rule out a Manami ending.. poor her, but she was better off with someone else anyway xD
Best ending: have Kyousuke finally admit he loves his sister (instead of hating her) and care about her actively, but still be lovers with Ruri <3
Harem. That’s the answer to all problems!
Non-sexual relationship between Kirino and Kyousuke plox. x.x but yes, harem solves all problems… except for unpopular guys and girls xD
Wow, I do not know what to think… It’s just awesome!!
But I guess, I do not know either if I should be happy or sad at this outcome…?!
So interesting, that could not be the end. For sure!! ^^
We can’t know how to feel. We’ll have to wait until volume 8 to know
Great work, as always makes me impatient for the next novel.
There are still tensions that have to be resolved, and still the mystery why Kirino and Kyousukes relationship has become so dense in the past.
Indeed. And there’s the phone call. I wonder what they talked about.
Kirino was so close to admitting >.> But Kyousuke is so dense for not realizing >< The idea of Kirino and Ruri battling off is a thriller. I am anticipating Volume 8 to be really exciting and can't wait to see what happens next. This series is not only awesome, it leaves you guessing of how thing are going to turn out.
Btw Thanks Sergio for the Oreimo summaries xD
You’re welcome xD
In fact I’ve never read a light novel with such awesome cliffhangers. We didn’t know what to expect of volume 7, and we don’t know what to expect of volume 8 now because anything could happen
Reading this summary at 4:30 in the morning, read “It’s a 2D girl. I almost cried manly tears.” Try as HARD as I can not to bust up laughing XD.
Also had to pause and take in the moment during Kyousuke and Ruri’s little exchange before the party… I REALLY hope he stays with her all the way.
Thank you so much for this.
Well, I can understand him perfectly. I’m trained to think dispassionately and rational about everything, from my time at university with sciences. Yet I’m moved by the story and it’s really scary for me how easily it seems for those authors to mess with our mind and emotional state. Oreimos has still this shred of reality in it that still makes it credible, it uses sound, voice and sufficient animated mimic to depict the emotions of the characters and doesn’t exaggerate that much like other animes and the manga does, which is a constant reminder of the surreality for me.
So are they really lovers or could this be Ruri’s turn for a “pretend” date? In other words, how unambiguous is the ending in Japanese?
Not ambiguous at all. The author also confirmed it in an interview for this release, saying that he made it clear before finishing the volume just in case people would think it was following the same pattern as the previous cliffhanger.
how far do you think will the anime go? Will the anime have a Season 2 or OVA to clear it up? Or maybe go the alternate reality route? I want to see all the novel animated-
I have no idea what will happen now. I;m still rooting for Kirino, but I don’t want Ruri to get her heart broken either. Nor do i want a harem ending a want him to end up with someone. grrr so frustrating in a way.
Oh I’d be happy with a happy ending xD But at the very least I don’t want any girl to get her heart broken
Seeing Kirino cry pains me…
Im starting to dislike Kyousuke…sometimes this whole dense male character trope can gets really annoying, specially when he is faced in a situation which so obviously screams “i like you” yet he fails to connect the dots.
As for Kirino, well at least she isnt really trying to hide it anymore it seems so thats a step forward. As for Kuroneko, Im indifferent atm, I hope this win of hers is not short-lived however.
Yeah, I know what you mean. But at least this time it’s understandable since it’s his own sister and you might not expect her to fall in love with you xD
thx for another great summary
I noticed a change in style. You inserted impression during the summary instead of putting it at the end as usual. I wonder why?
To avoid possible future problems with copyright holders, the style I followed until now resembled too much an actual translation rather than summaries.
Here you can find more information
http://animeforum.seanver.com/index.php/topic,40.0.html
終盤で妹が奇跡の大逆転を起こした『あかね色に染まる坂』のような結末を期待。
黒猫はあれだ、ドラゴンボールのベジータみたいなもんで最終勝利はありえないと思う。
「あかね色に染まる坂」はまだ見ていないですけど
黒猫はおれいものベジータｗｗｗ 白猫は可愛すぎる。でもまあ桐乃に負ける可能性があるからかわいそう
You know what? I was soooo bloodthirsty ready to HATE Mikagami but after reading this…
Damn it…why?…Mikagami is one of us…h-how could I hate him now? This post has robbed me of my hate…and now I feel strangely empty…
(now cue me sobbing)
Kirino T_T…damn it Kyousuke…WHY? WHY the heck do you have to be such a bloody idiot!? You’re soo dense it’s actually painful. WAAAHHH!KIRINO! RURI-CHAN! T_T
ONWARD MY OTAKU BRETHREN! To the battlefield that is VOLUME 8!
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Also, I thought those were cotton balls on his face. So it was cake…I see.
He has GOT to take lessons from Haru when it comes to love…
Yessir!
Some clearly uniformed spoilers even went as far as saying that Kyousuke got into a fistfight with Kirino’s boyfriend. Last time I’m playing attention to spoilers.
Not a native speaker of Japanese but thought I can perhaps contribute a little as I’m also intrigued by the various nuances of Japanese language. For the ね issue, I would say that it generally also adds a nagging tone to the sentence.
Contrasting this with use of か (what your english translation can also translate back to):
1:「ついに妹に手を出したのね！？」
2:「ついに妹に手を出したのか！？」
I would say that (1) holds a more nagging (in a parent/higher authority position) and accusing tone than (2), and perhaps even a more “I knew you would do it!” compared to (2) which was like “I would imagine that you would do it but didn’t really thought you would really do it” when coupled with ついに.
「お母さん絶対許しませんからね！」
For this, I would say that the addition of the ね adds a nagging tone (once again), and also an emphasis that she really won’t permit it even if he protests. Like a “I definitely won’t permit it! (You should know why!)” … It’s quite difficult to convert feelings into words. ><;;)
I'd like to say that I really appreciate your summaries! And I personally like reading your comments as I like reading how people interpret things as things move along and sometimes there's a "ooh so this is what it means" revelation. So in a sense, this insertion of comments in between summaries makes it easier for me to follow. XDD (And if it's just in summary form instead of the previous abridged translation, it'll make me feel like buying the book more to read the scenes omitted to understand the flow of the story better = support the original author!)
Thanks, and well I’m glad someone liked the new style.
OK, I understood the ね part, but what about ついに and referring to herself as お母さん?
I’d agree with karice below that perhaps it was referring to the siscon eroges that Kyousuke’s playing (“You’re finally going from 2D imoutos to 3D imoutos huh?”). Although I’m also wondering about the possibility of some “event” in their childhood that led the mother to hold the suspicion that he’ll one day lay his hands on his sister… but I’m not sure.
As for referring to herself as お母さん, I think it’s a way of emphasizing her authority (as a parent) over him (and therefore he should listen to her and give up on that idea). Although I think that’s a subconscious usage as Japanese mothers seem to like referring to themselves as お母さん when talking to their children, but I guess that may also be taken to mean that Japanese mothers need to use titles to assert their authorities while fathers generally do not (I infer that from the media I’m exposed to, but am not really sure); they use “I” more often. (Women who feel inferior and men who feel superior?)
I… hope I’m not reading too much into things. ><;;
Oops went back to read the entry and found that I’m addressing something different for the ついに part! Sorry! But anyway, I guess perhaps it may be because incest is hard to imagine in real life (and I don’t think most people would encounter a siscon person who would target his own sister), so perhaps the mother was like “okay, so you may be a siscon, but that’s just limited to 2D right?” or perhaps she’s in denial that her son is not normal and is someone who would commit incest (and therefore she did not raise her son “right”). It’s quite open to interpretation at this point since we don’t know much bout his mother.
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I want to be curse
I was going to try and address the ねs, but karayuquex has put it way better than I would have!
For the ついに bit, perhaps their mum is referring to the fact that Kyousuke plays eroge involving relationships between siblings? i.e. Kyousuke playing the game means he has an interest in it, therefore he’s likely to make a move on his real life sister?
For Kirino and Kuroneko’s fight at the post-comiket party, the impression I got was that Kuroneko knew that Kirino chose to make the announcement then in order to get Kyousuke’s attention. Can’t be sure without author input, but I think Kuroneko probably guessed that Kirino was lying about Mikagami.
OK, but the ついに still bugs me.
And what do you think about the mother using “お母さん” to refer herself? Would it also be used in a situation that should be so serious and almost dramatic?
Well, as karayuquex mentions, it could also have something to do with whatever it was that drove Kyousuke and Kirino apart.
Hm…the use of お母さん didn’t strike me as being strange at all. Rather than first person pronouns, mothers (in particular) tend to use some form of お母さん to refer to themselves, possibly because 私 doesn’t sound very “forceful” so to speak (not like 俺). 母ちゃん would have been odd (too childish for such a serious situation) but お母さん seems forceful enough.
Yes, I am aware that mothers may use お母さん instead of a first person pronoun, even when their kids are older.
No, that wasn’t it. My problem is when she’s using it in this context. Using お母さん sounds, how to say, more friendly. I mean, she’s supposed to be utterly shocked and disgusted, the language she uses sounds too soft to me
But I may be reading too much into it
I really don’t think it sounds friendly, because she IS shouting (someone on 2ch described it as マジ切れ, IIRC, though that would have come from the big bold text just before).
It was either お母さん or leave it out. To me it seemed like she was making it clear that it was her opinion and not someone else’s.
Just my thoughts and an attempt at trying to convey wat i mean lol =/
Rather then more friendly i think it sounds more towards the opposite, more along the lines of something like distance and authority. As you probably know お母さん is the complete formal version and more polite way of saying mother and from what i understand is meant for use when talking to/about families apart from your own (i.e. people you dont know very well) as opposed to 母 which is supposed to be used when say introducing or talking about your own family as its a more casual kinda thing.
As was mentioned I am also aware of how parents like mothers sometimes like to refer to themseleves this way, however if she was trying to make it sound more friendly I would normally expect something like “mama” or “ka-chan” instead of the complete formal version お母さん, Im not saying that its never used this way but it just sounds soooo formal to me that it would make more sense in a higher class ojou-sama family or a family where the mother has a more dominant/authorative role/pressence rather then kyousukes typical house in my eyes at least, so thats my reason why I dont agree shes trying to make things more friendly.
One may argue that this may be her way of talking to kyousuke sorta like talking to some1 whos not in ur family.(not really explaining it well here lol)
But i tend to agree more with what karayuquex said about this being her way of showing and emphasizing her authority.
Well, I guess the consensus then is she was taking it seriously.
I think that scene is key to understand what may happen, since for the same time the issue of incest is discussed by their mother.
However, she didn’t kick Kyousuke out and didn’t tell their father, so she might warm up to the idea later!
Hola Sergio
Simplemente quería darte las gracias por tu página y por todas las traducciones/explicaciones que haces. Son geniales, leerte a ti es como estar leyendo la propia novela.
Estoy deseando que llegue el final.
GRACIAS!!!!
So many more questions…and now we have to wait months for Volume 8 :C I have no idea how OreImo is going to end, everything seems possible. I want to know more about their past though to even more detail, about Saori, the mother’s/father’s view of their relationship, etc. I really want to see the story for Kirino’s view too, sure she’s crying up there but I still can’t tell for sure if she acknowledges her possible feelings yet consciously.
The 3rd part of this was probably the best bit in novel 7 for me. But Kyousuke’s character is so dense its almost agonizing. Part of me wishes that the fake boyfriend was real so that maybe Kyousuke would try to fight FOR her ahahaha.
Interested about the mother’s speech interpretation. I wish I knew Japanese so I could understand the tone in her “ne” in more depth.
LOL and I feel sorry for Kirino, Kuroneko is trying to pawn her ass in winning Kyousuke over WHILE wearing the dress Kirino picked out for her…again.
Still hoping for an incest ending though, not because I have a fetish for it or something, but I honestly think it’d be the most interesting path to explore. If Kyousuke ends up with anyone besides Kirino it almost seems anti-climatic. But the author saying he hates Kirino’s character and how he intends to keep it as a comedy makes me worry.
Yeah, Kyousuke is denser than I thought. He should learn from Kirino’s eroge how the heroine feels!
As for the Japanese used, I keep thinking that it sounds too soft, that it should have sounded more disgusted, more aggressive, but others seem to suggest it’s alright.
But in the meantime I’ll cling to the possibility the mother might approve of it some day xD
By the way, anyone else here thinking Kyousuke’s using his “being a brother” as an excuse?
I do
Well I thought the same thing.
But I WANT the wincest ending so I’m kinda biased.
There’s no problem about being biased! I try to be less biased in my summaries —although I’m sorry the new format doesn’t allow it as much— but once we aren’t telling what happens but giving our opinions, then there’s no problem about it!
Or do you think the no-incest isn’t biased? We are all biased since we want to interpret what happens hoping that what we wish will happen
It seems to me that the Kuroneko/Kyousuke shippers have more “canon” points of view, since:
-They’re not blood related (no taboo, makes it a lot easier)
-Apparently, the author SAID he kinda hated Kirino’s character (err… wtbbq? Why and when?) so it wouldn’t be surprising he’d support Ruri.
- Kuroneko is becoming incredibly moe (shironeko xD), and takes more and more importance in the story.
- The end of this book could also be a huge sign.
In short, a Ruri ending is both plain to see and canon, so fan supporting this can’t be biased. The signs they interpret are probably all true. I find it slightly annoying. I don’t reckon an “incest” ending would be too predictable.
T^T this saddens the fangirl I am.
But oh well, at least some are going to be happy. èné
Can’t wait to read the next light novel’s summaries though.
I’m going to have to wait months. It’ll be painful. XD
By the way I love the way you finally comment and sum things up at the same time.
And there are “quotes” *o*
I so wish the books will end up being translated.
Wow man, I was dying in the wait for this part… thanks a lot… really “sniff”
Well, getting serious, right now I’m fu***g annoyed with Kyousuke. Why the hell is he so dense, so naive, so “innocent” about this kind of thing; I mean, at this point is more than obvious what Kirino’s true feelings are, and she has almost shout them into his face but he just don’t get it!!!
He (perhaps not noticing) has also proved his deep feelings for her, but maybe he’s still thinking that that wouldn’t be the case… because… “she’s my sister, right?” OK now, and about the Kuroneko x Kyousuke relationship, this is my theory:
- In the phone talk Ruri had with Kirino they discussed a lot about what was going on, and about what was going to happen (because it’s more than evident that the two of them really know about how idiot Kyousuke is xD)
- They agreed that Ruri should become Kyousuke’s so he could finally realize for sure what his true feelings are (it would be a little hard for me to see Ruri getting hurt at the end though)
- After a while the two of them are dating throughout the vol. 8 maybe Kirino just can’t stand it anymore so she asks Ruri to end the relationship and tells her that there might be some other way… but Ruri refuses, she’s happy and she apologize to Kirino but she just can’t give up on Kyousuke now that she finally has him all to herself ^^
…I’ll continue down here xD…
- They engage some fight and whatever happens… I don’t really wanna get too far in the future asuming some things, so util here.
Now, there are some things that have been in my mind quite a while about their past (Kyousuke and Kirino). This is just my thinking…
Look, Kirino has stated many times that is a little too late for Kyousuke to act like a brother after all this time, so maybe when they were still kids, she spent most of her time hanging to Kyousuke and he was very caring and dependable to her… She thought they will continue that way forever, but suddenly that changed.
Kyousuke started to spend more time with his osananajimi, pushing Kirino away each time more and more, making her believe that she was doing something wrong, so she tried to get better in every possible way so Kyousuke would acknowledge her again… but it didn’t work; he was very busy hanging around with his osananajimi… Maybe this was the flag that made Kirino hate her (Manami, that is).
So after a while this situation continued, she finally gave up and started ignoring Kyousuke just the same he did, and then, their cold relationship began…
It’s no surprise Kirino is so jealous towards Kyousuke; maybe she thinks some girl will take her Onii-chan away (again). Unfortunatedly, that guy is just an idiot, sorry to say it that way, but let’s hope that he at least can be true to himself about his emotions.
Ok that’s all, thanks Sergio, as always, good job again and I’ll be in some other of your posts. See ya!
Oh! And I forgot to state something, and it’s about why Kirino has that fetish for the little sisters xD
When she saw that there was no way to make Kyousuke notice her, she then tried to figure out in some other way… being an older “brother” and try think as one, so she could finally understand why she was being ignored xD
Now, this is really the end ^^
è_é
This is an interesting theory.
Though she got a little carried away with the “let’s think like a big brother” thing xD
Anyways, I really want to learn what really happened. It’s SO frustrating.
I feel like a loads of things could be easily answered if we knew.
And wincest fans would have things to speculated about. èné For once.
A little late to post here but I late but I will post it anyway.
My thoughts exactly! During the “last life counceling session” Kirino focuses on her primary school report cards, which show that she was bad in sports and and an overage student. I have only the summaries as reference, so I don’t know how strong this is emphasized in the light novel. But there has to be a reason that this seemingly unimportant information is given. Obviously she worked very hard to become this good and I think that it was her way of saying “look at me” to her brother. Imho she wanted her brothers attantion so badly that she tried to improve herself as much as she could. And after failing in that she got frustrated. That’s why Kyousuke had to tear down a hole mountain of tsunderearmor. Well thats all speculation, unless the author decides to make a flashback we will never really know.
@Sergio: Thanks for your good work, I really wish I could speak Japanese
(Note, I didn’t see any indication of my post getting successfuly submitted or any message like “posting require blogger’s approval,” so I will attempt to post this again…)
Perhaps Kirino and Ruri agreed on permitting Ruri date Kyousuke in order to let him “determine his true feelings” or something? This “thick headed protagonist” thing is an abused cliche in romance manga; some sort of “unknown force” prevented him from allowing his sister to take a lover, but this is rarely enough for the thick headed protagonist to ascertain their own feelings (after all, their relationship could easily revert to the norm hereafter).
But now, he must commit to a relationship himself, which will lead to his contemplation over whether or not his feelings for Ruri are “really love,” which will lead to his contemplation of “what love really is,” and then all that will remain is the trivial “last connection.” The thick headed protagonist is thus left with no escape from the truth, since the situation is such that it has forced him to arrive at the conclusion through his own contemplation (though, it wouldn’t surprise me if things dramatically culminate with Ruri begrudgingly making this last connection for him).
I’m ashamed to admit that I’d nearly like to see a similar plot to this.
By the way, I always assumed that Kirino let Ruri date Kyousuke because she was kinda hoping for this exact trope to happen. She might have thought that she had no more choice but to push things that way after seeing how dense he was and after Ruri confessed. Indeed, from now on, either Kyousuke realizes he’s truly fond of Kuroneko and they live happily ever after, or he understands he’s really too much of a siscon now?
That, or another unexpected turn of events (lol manami).
this is an interesting point. but i wonder what are kyousuke’s intentions are agreeing to be ruri’s lover. like John-san pointed out below, kyousuke never admitted he likes ruri in a romantic way. though he asked her if she likes him and her response can be easily misunderstood. on the contrary, kyousuke admits he likes ayase and finds her cute and his actions confirm this, acting so wildly and excitedly and even prompting himself to propose marriage and rush to her house!
the kuroneko and kirino long phone conversation is subject to speculation. and i assume kuroneko has the eyes of us readers that she could clearly see that kirino is deeply in love with kyousuke even comparing her love is as much as kirino’s feeling towards kyousuke and she implied to turn greedy just to fulfill her desires. and i don’t see kirino giving up yet.
maybe the phone call was just a formal declaration of war between the two rivals. what bugs me is kyousuke’s intention. he agreed so fast when just recently he confirmed his feelings to ayase. well, ayase is the first girl that received acknowledgement to be girlfriend or wife material even in kyousuke’s mind.
maybe, just maybe, he wants revenge to kirino for lying about mikagami? but i found this weak because he is hurt everytime kirino cries. my bet is, the ruri and kyousuke lovers is just for a show for a reason i can’t really explain – for a comicon? school play? dream? =(
For some reason your comment had been caught as spam. When this happens, you get one of those catchpa images, and if you get the letters right, it’s held for moderation. So I would have approved it as soon as I saw it. I’m sorry about that.
And your theory sounds plausible, we’ll have to see. But it sounds like the kind of agreement they might have actually reached. The conversation is said to have been long, so whatever was said, must be really interesting
Ruri is w>
best ending would be harem ending of course, but i dont think thats possible >w>
btw, about this line: ” In that case, if you fail, says Saori (the real one, taking off her glasses), you will have to take responsibility” it makes me think that Saori might be falling on love with Kyousuke as well, i mean, if she ends up all alone again and he has to take responsibility, wouldnt that mean that he has to keep her company?? ergo, be his boyfriend?? or am i thinking too much into it??
That is actually a very interesting possiblity. The harem route in Oreimo has started to become more evident. Ayase hinted she might have something for Kyousuke, Ruri, Kirino and Manami are in love with him and that is pretty much official, so Saori becoming another haremette can’t be ruled out!
I also think I’ve read somewhere that Kyousuke treats Saori just like an imouto-albeit a pretty tall one, which means he cares for her too. So her being part of Kyousuke’s harem isn’t impossible.
if he sees her as an imouto and he ends up a siscon… well, that pretty much talks by itself xD
Sergio, tu aporte ha sido simplemente impresionante.Lástima que haya que esperar varios meses para saber algo de la novela 8. De todas formas seguiré visitando tu blog regularmente por si hay actualizaciones en otras series y sobre todo en esta.
Mucha suerte con el blog y sigue adelante,hay mucha gente que lo visita aunque no comentan y en muchos foros de internet hacen mención de tu trabajo en esta página.Lo sé porque los visito regularmente y es raro el día que no mencionan seanver.com.
Nada más.Un cordial saludo.
Muchas gracias xD La verdad no me esperaba tener tantas visitas en mi vida
“A few days after that, they became lovers.” eh? so… eh? oh shi….where’s the Manami possibility OTL
Apparently Ruri became so popular as early as in volume 3 that they decided to make her Kirino’s rival, instead of poor Manami
yeah i know…but still,for me,Manami have more “deserve to be the main character’s girlfriend” aura more than Kuroneko,oh well i cant really put it into words,btw thats just my opinion OTZ
I don’t remember Kyousuke ever admiting he liked Ruri. I do remember he thought she was beautiful a couple of times but thats about it. I’m only saying this cuz I don’t want Ruri to get hurt in anyway (she’s my favorite after all)… and I don’t remember too many light novels or manga or even anime where they start liking each other after starting dating…
What a awesome summary!
Thank you very much
Do you hear any information about volume 8 in Jp?
I can’t wait for your next post
Gracias por los resúmenes (este en especial ya que solo ver la imagen de Kirino llorando en las raws, me daba una idea de una situación muy intensa
).
Hablé con un amigo con el que vamos a traducir las novelas y me explicó que en el contexto las frases de advertencia que daba la madre a Kyouske tienen un tono normal, no tajante o autoritario algo asi como una llamada de atención común y corriente. El hecho de hablar sobre si misma como ‘mamá’ es habitual para enfatizar la autoridad, no de manera autoritaria o infantil (los menores de edad y jóvenes nippones tienden a hablar de esta manera a diferencia de americanos u otros que utilizan la primera persona del singular al hablar en español o inglés).
Ahora tengo más ganas de saber la relación pasada entre Kirino y Kyousuke; por ejemplo hay un gran vacío en el por qué de la relación tan mala de los dos (aunque el prota diga que siempre se odiaron entre sí), por lo que ví en el anime (espero que no difiera mucho de la novela) hay dos partes que dejan ver que hay ‘algo’ más. Cuando Kirino sale de la casa después del descubrimiento de su hobbie por parte del papá, cuando Kyo va ha hablar con éste último la mamá hace un comentario que los fansubs en español lo dejaron como “tenías que ser tú” con una sonrisa, y cuando Kirino tiene el problema con Ayase en el que, en un momento de discusión, le reclama a Kyouske el tratar de ser un buen hermano a esas alturas.
También hay muchos comentarios de los personajes enfatizando la diferencia notoria entre los hermanos, que no se parecen en nada, y los relacionan como desconocidos o pareja.
Todo esto me hace pensar que hubo algo de antes de todo esto, y que por alguna razón los dos hermanos terminaron por separase hasta el punto de tratarse como perfectos extraños (a riesgo de equivocarme, diría que hubo más acción de parte de Kyousuke), de esta forma es posible que tengamos un final Kirino x Kyousuke en el que nos entermos que en realidad ellos no son hermanos (me gustaría mucho un final así al igual que un final en el que sí son hermanos
).
Ya me daré otra vuelta por el foro (solo aquí estoy con el español
).
PD: no hay link al final de la parte 3 a este summary y tampoco aparece en la lista de los resúmenes (index of…) donde están todos los resúmenes por tomos
.
Estamos en el mismo problema que hablaba antes. Se supone que la madre debe estar horrorizada, por lo que su lenguaje no deberia tener un tono normal, de ahi que me resulte un poco chirriante que se refiera como “okaasan” y no que utilice un lengaue mucho mas violento. A ver, si realmente el trasfondo de la novela es de realismo estricto -cosa que no pienso-, la madre tiene sospechas (bastante fundadas!) de que sus dos hijos tienen una relacion romantica.
Creo que su reaccion deberia haber sido mucho mas tajante, mucho mas vehemente y bastante mas agresiva si realmente estuviera opuesta, por el tabu, a la idea.
Sobre el que no se parezcan, yo en ningun momento le he dado importancia, mas alla de decir que Kyousuke es muy simple y sin nada que destaque, al contrario que Kirino. Si alguien se lo pregunta, el pelo de Kirino esta te;ido
Y gracias por lo de los links, lo arreglare ahora
Hasn’t anyone read my theory about their past a couple comments above here? xD
What do you think about it Sergio?
I think it’s possible, I have no arguments against it, but we need some more information, which is long overdue.
According to Kyousuke, it just happened more or less naturally, in the sense that there was no big event that deteriorated their relationship, but I don’t trust what Kyousuke says anymore.
The fact that it’s been emphasized that Kirino isn’t talented at all she does, but rather that she’s worked very hard also implies that she’s been doing it for her (dumb) oniichan.
So on paper it’s very likely. All we need now is to hear what happened before the story began, probably one, two, three years before the events in volume 1.
i agree that there is something in the past that somewhat soiled their relationship. i saw their family photo in the anime where kirino sporting a darker shade of brown hair sitting on her father’s lap. it seems that they are indeed close just like you said. i agree that manami might “played” something that “tore” the closeness between the siblings. kirino seems to know well manami but manami seems hardly recognizing kirino (she didn’t immediately recognize the “cute girl” in the photoshoot or was it just because of poor eyesight?).
Sergio-san pointed that kirino was not born talented. she did it through hardwork and she made her way up. i think kyousuke speak highly of manami ALWAYS since childhood! kyousuke is tutored and literally reared (no pun intended) by manami! kyousuke must be too dependent to manami that he started neglecting kirino.
i think i read it somewhere or was it Giovanni-san that kirino during her childhood declared “i want to be onii-chan’s bride.” i say i find this highly possible. they were so close to the point of marrying each other. but since kirino is not that talented or helpful kyousuke moved to manami. kirino starts to feel jealous. kyousuke growing more attached and dependent to manami neglecting and forgetting kirino in the process.
kyousuke did not even remember having a real conversation with kirino just exchanging simple greetings for the sake of manners. it must a long, long time.
yes, i agree they were close back then, but it still remains a mystery why they “broke” apart…
Right man? This is exactly what I’ve been thinking about all this time. I think Kyousuke was the one at fault to begin with… Every time since Oreimo began, he -almost always- has been the one who makes Kirino cry or get angry, and this last one was the worst (when he begged that Mikagami guy not to take her away and making her broke into tears, that is). I hope that in the next volume, the author write down some flashbacks, about their past, about their relationship, about how Kyousuke screwd things up.
Although I’d like at least one kiss escene between Kuroneko and Kyousuke
I so like her right now!!
no doubt it is something kyousuke’s the culprit here, but if he is doing the hurting consciously or unconsciously is still a mystery to me.
we saw kirino crying or in the verge of tears everytime kyousuke overtly expresses interest with another girl. the porn sites with girls wearing glasses! it is not out of shame or embarrassment but because subconsciously kyousuke displays interest to manami.
now this latest episode is explosive! and i don’t expect kyousuke to change much in the coming chapters. i expect he’ll be screwing more thing up, hehehe
First of, Thanks for another finished volume^^
Quite some cliffhanger here..
My main hope for the next volume is that they reveal the past at least a bit. Wonder if it has something to do with the parents.
Kyousuke seems odd in this volume. We have his playful/forceful attempt at Ayase, and now he ends up with a different girl without any spoken word by him. Feels like he is under shock or his parents dealed with him off-screen. I do not think that there will be an harem ending, also it is too soon for Ruri to be the girlfriend to last till the end of the Light Novel. It could go in every direction, Kyousuke fighting for his own sanity, seperation from the girls-group or a new happy live.
Personally I think we will have to deal with some off-topic first in the next novel, maybe more about Saori as she comes way too short. The Characters around him will notice a change in his behaviour and will try to consult him about that. Kirino might be the one in the end who will break through his barrier to get him back to normal (this might take more than one volume depending on when the author plans to finish the novel). After this chapter it is all set up for the KirinoxKyousuke path in my eyes, as this looks to be the starting point of a crises/new seperation which they both will overcome.
Despite what Kyousuke is telling us, he knows of Kirino’s feeling now. I wouldn’t be too suprised if it is revealed at the end of the series that he has been lying to us every now and then. That is all strictly my own view, using experience in literature, storylines of japanese games, and personal preferences as basement.
Also how/when the novel end might not be even clear to the author now, depending on how long he wants to milk this series before starting a new one or quit writing such things.
A random question: Is the author of the Light Novel working with the team who is doing the PSP game? and second, will you summaries the paths in that game as well?
I do believe that Kyousuke has been lying, or well, that sounds as if there was ill intent, let’s say he’s been trying to deceive himself about reality. I’m not too sure however if he’s aware of Kirino’s (really strong) feelings, but at least I do believe he’s been deceiving himself about his own (siscon) feelings.
As for how long the novels are going to continue, it’s difficult to know, but in my own experience these stories never get beyond high school life. It’s already august or september in the novels, and Kyousuke will finish school in a few months, so I think the novels may reach up to volume 9 or 10, but of course this is my own opinion.
It is of course deliberate that we never got to hear Kyousuke’s side of the story on all of this, I mean, what does he think about becoming Kuroneko’s boyfriend? He told us several times that he wondered what Kuroneko meant with that kiss, but he never explicitly said that he liked her… he’s only said that he likes Ayase and I see that as a more childish crush
As for the PSP game, apparently the author has even written one of the routes, that of Kirino (hint that Kirino may be the main heroine after all?)
I will buy a PSP soon, and the game when it comes out so I will try to at least talk a little about it. Given the fact that it’s more difficult to replay, etc., than just opening the novel and checking if you’ve missed something, I don’t know if I’ll be able to write them in such a detailed way or not
So he has worked with the psp staff? Where did you get the info concerning the author writing Kirino(?)’s path? Must be SO useful to be able to understand japanese in a casual way like you! è_é
I must say I’m kinda lost here with what you both said: you make it sound as if Kyousuke was dating Kuroneko without really wanting to (or maybe I’m just misunderstand what you said), though even if he didn’t explicitly said he liked her, he still always looked troubled when thinking about her. Or maybe it’s just the anime that makes me think so.
Plus I don’t really now why he’d force himself to date her. He’s not THAT much afraid of the so-called curse, is he?
I reckon he’s dating her because he wants to (after all, she’s cute, shy, cute, mysterious… And cute -u-’).
So here’s my question, since you’ve read this tome, are their any signs that make you think otherwise, or is it just the way things are rushed down?
I’m really curious about that.
10 novels… That seems about a right amount to end the series. Just like Haruhi. XD
And I’m really curious about the psp game. èué I wonder if it will be an erog– *cough* Anyways.
It was mentioned on this site’s forum, but I don’t remember exactly where. Take a look here
http://animeforum.seanver.com/index.php/topic,14.0.html
I haven’t really said he doesn’t want to date her, but it’s true we haven’t hear his side of the story. We just announces they are dating, but doesn’t tell us anything else. In fact, he became her boyfriend a few days after her confession so he must have thought it out.
We’ll find out more in volume 8
i agree, it’s a little awkward for kyousuke dating kuroneko all of a sudden when a little while he’s all over ayase. he finds ayase cute, almost like love at first sight. he picked her above saori though end up calling saori instead after contemplating objectively; and he reads her gravure! though i don’t consider it a childish crush because he seems a little motivated or persistent. it appears he’s “locked-on” to ayase not letting an opportunity to slip away. though this might be the author’s way of adding comedy. just my thought.
i’m also disturbed why he always says that kirino hates him. though i’m a little doubtful if he is really deceiving us or/and himself. considering he is telling the truth that kirino hates him, it implies that he is aware of the reasons – the origin, why kirino hates him. considering they’re close then, he must make up to her earlier not prolonging the misunderstandings. but if they’re not that close he just ignored it and let it rot. kirino said that he did not care for her in her entire life, well that makes sense and a possibility. but this contradicts the assummption that long ago they are having a nice time together and conversing freely, kyousuke just can’t remember when, it was not stated that it never happened. whow, my head ACHES!!!
now considering he is telling the truth and he’s not aware of kirino’s reason of hate, he must be really dumb guy. or it just didn’t bother him. no curiosity. doesn’t ring a bell. just want a normal and peaceful life? but why bother to care just now?
now if he is aware of kirino’s feeling and just lying to all of us, why hurt kirino more and more? he is pained seeing her cry. if he do understand her (finally, after the cake fight) he would not have considered dating kuroneko. or he’s just masking his feelings for kirino? but he must be aware that such move wil hurt his sister more. he said he’ll do anything for his sister and said it is for the sake of being siblings.
or he did not get it at all because mikagami was cut short and kyousuke admitted nothing – he just did it to make kirino comfortable since she can’t bring herself up.
oh sorry if i’m not making no sense here. i’m also really confused just of now. maybe a new revelation will clear these issues and give me some peace of mind… =)
-PS-
i just read below that kuroneko x kyousuke was possibly just for a show for the parents – because they don’t want incest. it’s a possibility. but considering the girls’ growing INTENSE feelings, it must be too insensitive in kyousuke’s part to agree. if the parents are already aware and doing the “right” thing, then they’ll physically separate the two first like sending kirino far away or dad unleashing demon palm beating kyousuke to death!
Thanks, Sergio!
I was wondering though…
It’s still not impossible that one of the siblings are adopted right (something to do with the past)?…
If the parents seem ‘less than disgusted’ with it, maybe it could possibly imply something like that being possible.
But… then that wouldn’t be wincest huh? @_@
This is also one of my theories. Some hints are given by commentaries of other people that Kyousuke and Kirino don’t look like brother and sister, which seems to bother Kyousuke.
There’s the possibility that both Kyousuke and Kirino know that they aren’t blood related. There might had happened something in the past related to this that hindered Kyousuke from acting like a big brother although they spent their life as brother and sister.
And then there’s still the question about what has begun the cold war between em. I think it’s some event in their life when they grew apart. Lets say Kyousuke met Manami, a smart girl unlike Kirino who wasn’t that smart. So Kirino decided to go through such length to prove her self valuable to Kyousuke.
In the first novel when Kyousuke finds those model magazines he appreciates Kirino, who replies “no big deal”. Still he doesn’t seem to realize why Kirino has gone through all this ordeal.
I still hope for a Kyousuke x Kirino end. My values tell me that my first duty is to my family. Your sister will be your sister until you or she dies, there’s nothing that can break this kind of bond. Even if she’s not blood related to you there is a certain bond you share.
So what would I do? I wouldn’t want to let ma sister fall into despair. To hell what society may think about it, I’d have to live with the conscience that I might have destroyed the life of my sister, which is something I couldn’t bear.
I personally think it bothers Kyousuke BECAUSE it may imply they could be dating. So even if he was kind of a siscon, it’d annoy him to hear that coming from other persons, or so I thought.
Maybe just the same way Kirino acts disgusted when he plays his “fake boyfriend” role in the light novels in front of people she does not consider as a threat (aka manami and kuroneko)?
Anyways, it irks me when she says “how revolting” or “disgusting” when Kyousuke acts-let’s say-cute toward her.
Well, as far as we know something must have happened in the past that started all this. Something Kirino is well aware of and Kyousuke is not able to realize.
Hypothesis:
Once Manami got in his life, he grew more and more apart from Kirino, he might have slipped a line that he liked Manami for being smart, provoking Kirino to work hard simply to become more interesting for him. They might have gotten into a fight about this thing with Kyousuke stating: “You will always be my little sister, nothing in the world will change that.”
Sounds pretty benign but may also imply that Kirino never will be more to him than a little sister. Kyousuke thinking that he found a smooth solution forgets about this event rather quickly but Kirino is deeply hurt.
But you’re right, Kirinos remarks when Kyousouke shows some affection are quite disturbing. The only thing I can think of at this time is that Kirino wants Kyousuke to commit him self completely to her.
I’ve always chosen to interpret it as just meaning that Kyousuke is too plain compared to Kirino, rather than implying they may not be related, but it’s been said a few times so I wouldn’t rule that out. But it would be a little lame IMHO!
muy buen sumari grasias por tu esfuerso y a todo esto solo me queda una duda que alparecer no se a mencionado como fue que ayase tenia la foto de kirino y kyou es la unicaa duda o es que no se a aclarado eso
No ha quedado aclarado. En el foro lo comente y una persona respondio que al parecer se lo preguntaron al autor en una entrevista y, no se si de broma o no, respondio que se colo en la habitacion de Kyousuke una noche despues de que Manami le contara que los vio
Conociendo a Ayase… es muy posible
man I want kyousuke and kirino to be together..I dont know it just feels weird any other way. to be honest Ruri is nice and awesome, but I dont really see it fully blosoming into the ending. Ugh I should probably not care who he ends up with so I dont have to feel bad for the other one lol..well the cliffhangers are really starting to get to me now lol..
I can relate to that. I shouldn’t care about who he ends up with, but I can’t help supporting Kirino.
Boy it’s so annoying when people start trolling oreimo because of the implied incest. As if it was the most disgusting thing in the world. Come on, I’ve never seen anyone troll murder-themed animes this way, and yet, I think the murder issue is way more delicate than love (or sex for that matter) between siblings.
Oh mighty taboos. -_-
Can’t they see it’s just total wincest here? *o*
Boy, oh boy, Kirino is gonna suffer. I can imagine it already: she starts coming with all sorts of plans to break them up, yet all of them fail. As she gives up, her health deteriorates to the point it’s even worse than when she went overseas. Worried, Kyousuke decides to check up on her. They talk, and Kirino tearfully confesses her feelings for him.
If he doesn’t get a hint from that, then I fear our beloved protagonist is the densest character ever created…
You forget about the call. I’m sure something was said about Kyousuke. Many people are starting to think they want to make him realize his true feelings, whatever they are, while he dates Kuroneko (a socially safer choice)
Socially safer choice… Now this reminds me of the upset mama at the end of the book. Do you think suspicious parents led him to show off he wasn’t a siscon? And about the curse that could be replaced by another curse… Do you think she meant she wanted him to date her in order to “break” the spell (though it cannot be broken according to her)?
Thanks for another finished volume:D
No matter how i look at it, there is something suspicious about that long phone conversation. I bet Kirino and Ruri came with some kind of plan to make Kyousuke understand his own feelings:D. Anyway, that was interesting volume but as someone already said, i don’t know whether i should be happy or sad.
Since it came to this there is only one thing i can do.
DEAR FATHER WHO ART IN HEAVEN, PLEASE LET OREIMO FINISH WITH HAREM END.
Or since Christmas are near, maybe i should write a letter to Santa Claus?
That seems to be the widespread opinion about their call, but we’ll have to wait!
And yeah, harem would be awesome and epic!
I just finished watching the new episode of Oreimo a minute ago. Awesome episode!
To all you Kuroneko fans.
Little Kuroneko!! lol = Kuroneko’s little sister.
Look forward to watching it guys!
Sergio, que tu blog alla crecido es gracias a que Oreimo se hizó animé. Siempre ten en cuenta eso, le debes todo a Oreimo xD.
En fin, gracias de nuevo por tu “trabajo” y continúa así.
PD: Con respecto a lo del cambio de estilo en tus resúmenes, prefiero este.
Gracias, y mira, me alegra que haya gente hasta que le guste el nuevo estilo
With every summary I read I want a wincest ending more and more.At the beginning I wasn’t sure whom I wanted to be kyosukes girlfriend, but now..
It’s the only thing that realy feels right, although it should be the only one to feel wrong XD
But I also like kurenoko and dont want her to get hurt…
This novel realy plays with my feelings.
If we dont get an incest ending I hope we at least see kirino openly confess to kyosuke so even he can understands what his sisters feelings are. Or a kiss… just a little something
*countig the seconds till the next volume is released*
Harem will be good. . .but not that good because it was more like realistic and will turn in to harem at the ending. . .but anyway, i think Ruri and Kirino talked about lending Kyouske to her or something like telling her feelings him, but the couple thing will make Kirino heat up. . .
jus a theory, but maybe Kyousuke (being a super dense guy as he is) asked Kuroneko to be a fake-lover (like Kirino’s case?)
The pretense is maybe just to let his parents know he is not dating his own sis; jus to let the tension dies down(or perhaps [though highly unlikely?] Kirino was the one that asked Kuroneko to [got to do with the long phone call between the two of em]).
well jus a theory
after all…Im still for the wincest ending.. or harem ending wont hurt too..
But in this case why fake a date? It would deeply hurt Kuroneko, Kyousuke can’t be that dense. Can he?
Though I root for the “see? I’m not a siscon, I’ve got a girlfriend right here!” theory. Kirino, Kyousuke, Kuroneko (eeh… Funny I never noticed the 3K thingie), I think they all have good reasons to let things go this way.
I really want to learn more about it.
Has anyone any idea of how much time it’ll take for the author to release the next book? OxO
I think it may be for real, but we can’t know because well, it’s a damn cliffhanger!
As for when, between 4 and 6 months if everything goes as usual
Kyousuke asks Ruri about the kiss<——– Am I missing something here? Did they kiss in an earlier volume or what? If so, awesome…
Yes, in volume 5, Kuroneko kissed Kyousuke on the cheek, saying it was a “curse” and he had to bring Kirino back from the US or else the curse would kill him
oh, that kiss. I thought for a second it was a lip contact kiss and not on the cheek.
YES!!!! That is the best possible ending!!!
I know it’ll probably be an unpopular view, but I’ve really gone cold on the whole incest ending – always makes me think of Koi Kaze, and the drama and misery around the bro/sis couple. I quite like the idea of Kyousuke/Ruri, just because she seems like one of the sweeter characters once you get beyond her roleplaying as the dark, emo character.
Not really, because I don’t want drama in Oreimo. I want an incest ending, but without drama, so that’s why I think that how their parents see it is really important
His curse will be overwritten by a more powerful curse
[cute picture of boobless Ruri]
a few days after that, they became lovers
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my question is, are u not allowed to spoil what happen in between, or u just dont feel like spoiling it, or is it that the author do it like that cause he dont wanna spoil any?
anyway, great summary u make, thnx for ur hard work all this time, i’ll wait for the your summary for the next volume patiently(when will it be released anyway?)
Do you mean if something happened before they became lovers? No, there’s nothing about it the novels
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Luego de ver el anime, leer el manga y leer los resúmenes, debo decir que me gustaría más un final Kirino x Kyouske que otro. Me gusta el estilo de la novela asi que me resultaría ‘chocante’ que termine en drama
Leyendo lo anterior, como te decía (según mi amigo XD), es que la manera de hablar de la madre es bastante normal. Luego de preguntarle su opinión surgió una interesante conversación; en Japón resulta mucho más estricto el cumplimiento de las normas, las tradiciones y valores en parte debido a su historia. Cuando le dije que a mi parecer, la manera de regañar de la madre a Kyouske fue muy suave estuvo totalmente de acuerdo. Si, como pensamos muchos, la mamá de ambos sabía que había ‘algo’ entre los dos, la manera más natural de tratar con eso sería de forma tajante. Es decir, en lugar de hacer comentarios o insinuaciones, o simplemente dejar una clara advertencia ella dice algo como “hasta que por fin le hechaste la mano a tu hermana menor no es así?” que deja mucho de que hablar. Independientemente de como se exprese la señora, creo que si en realidad no quisiera que ambos hermanos estén juntos, la mejor manera sería limitando el tiempo que se ven o simplemente separándolos.
Para terminar, no es que me guste el incesto (tengo una ‘imouto’ que es menor que 5 años pero no tengo un sentimiento más que el de cariño fraternal), me gusta esta historia, los personajes y el desarrollo de la misma. Tal ves si el desarrollo fuera diferente me gustaría un final Kyouske x Ayase o con Minami, o mejor aún con Ruri (o si Santa atiende mis oraciones, un Harem-ending
).
Eso es precisamente lo que yo pienso aunque no todos estan de acuerdo. Es que si realmente la madre estuviera en contra, a ver, es que seria algo tan serio que no solo lo dejaria en una reprimenda. Para empezar, lo habria hablado con el padre y les habrian prohibido acercarse vamos, a menos de 200 metros si puede ser.
es mas, es que dice “al final le pusiste la mano encima a tu hermana?” Eso, “al final”, lo que significa que esperaba que pasase, tras oir los rumores. Si realmente esta en contra, vamos, habria hecho algo antes
El autor parece que ha dicho que no quiere drama desmesurado ni nada parecido, pero el hecho de que la madre no lo vea con muy malos ojos (en mi opinion) puede significar que Kyousuke x Kirino es aun posible si no implica mucho drama y/o rechazo social. Recordemos que Oreimo no es el mundo real, es una novela
well … when i read the last part and i saw that the author wants to keep oreimo as a comedy i felt like this is becoming and idiocy. Until now we had already quite a lot of drama. The fights between kirino and kuroneko , their status in society and many others , and now when she cries and admits her felling`s for her brother the author says that he wants a comedy . If he wishes to keep it as a comedy then i can only pity the ones that wanted to see a true relation , and more importantly a relation between kirino and kyousuke.
Not that much drama. Not all volumes had drama (e.g. volume 4 and 6, and most of volume 5) and in the rest around 25% was devoted to it.
Most comedies have some drama, but not too much, and I think oreimo isn’t drama.
And why would a relationship between Kirino and Kyousuke require drama? I can’t understand why so many people think that drama is necessary to build relationships. Take Amagami, a romance anime with almost 0% drama
well in amagamiSS we didn`t had any incest relationships . And think of what they`r mother said . If they would end up together it`s clear that problems will appear.Of course as usual this is my own opinion ,I can just wait and see what will happen in the next volume . If you know please tell me when will it appear .
Hmmm I keep thinking that the mother didn’t react very dramatically. some people disagree with me, but others agree. I think that if she was really, morally, opposed to the idea she would have thrown a tantrum, so I have the hope that she’d approve of it without much drama
Yes, but the little sister is a brocon girl
)
Since it is just a novel, I believe we can hope an incest ending, after see all that happened between Kirino and Kyouske.
I think I can’t still calling Ruri as Shironeko after watch the 9th chapter of the anime (in the ending you can see a very good picture of Kirino as a ‘shiroi’ cat
Sergio, el capítulo 9 tiene alguna relación con la novela escrita, o es un capítulo con partes de ella como el 8?
No esta adaptado de nada que apareciera en las novelas, pero parece ser que el capitulo lo escribio o al menos asesoro el autor mismo, y la verdad que si que da al sensacion de ser bastante fiel a como son las novelas, pero vamso, no esta basado en nada que ocurra en las novelas
Entonces, si el autor asesoró la producción de éste capítulo, ya tengo más ganas de conocer que pasa en la siguiente parte de la novela. Espero que no hayan muchos cambios en los últimos 3 capítulos, aunque, como van las cosas, es posible que no haya una segunda temporada
Puede que si, puede que no. La verdad que como tomo 10 capítulos para abarcar “CASI” 4 volúmenes. El capitulo 11 abarcaría otra parte del volumen 4 y el 12 abarcaría la parte final del volumen 4 y un poco del volumen 5 justo como el capitulo 10 con el volumen 4. Por ende hay toda posibilidad para una segunda temporada en Septiembre/Octubre si se alcanzaran 10 volúmenes.
[Claro. Todo esto seguido de buenas ventas y éxito de la serie...]
Saludos
So Kuroneko/Ruri wins?
Sweet.
gracias por los spoiler ya que con se guier las novelas en ingles es muy difise sigui asi
I was just wondering if you ever figured out about the mother being to soft or not. Also if she was or was not what has changed about your thoughts on it.
Nope, I’ve gotten very different opinions on the matter and in the end I could reach no reasonable conclusion. However, even those who say that she sounded angry enough seem to agree that she could have been more visibly angry than she was. I keep thinking she was only mildly angry, and she would, if they gave her some time, approve of Kirino and Kyousuke’s relationship
When will volume 8 released?
It’s not known, but it should be released between March and May
We can always consider the fact that both Kirino and Kyousuke aren’t blood related, I know it’s cliché but they really don’t look alike. I mean even Kirino doesn’t look like her mother or father.
@Sergio
Ty for the summary, hope ya keep going like that with the upcoming volumes… just can’t believe that in the Anime they actually skipped so many parts from the novels there’s so much stuff for handling more than 14 episodes from just 4 volumes.
Hoping some kind of huge success and sales with the first season. At least with that we can expect a second season for October without any skipped content.
Update Aniplex producer Atsuhiro Iwakami confirmed on Oreimo’s official website that the series was announced as a “15-episode production” at the “Ore no Imouto ga Konnani Kawaii Wake ga Nai Festival” on Sunday, December 5. He explained there are two versions of episode 12, and that the story will branch in the middle of episode 12. One of the versions, the “Good End,” will be the final episode of the television broadcast. The other version of episode 12 will continue the story, which will end at episode 15. While the timeframe and other details of the unaired episodes’ streaming remain completely in the air, the staff will strive for a release without long waits like Bakemonogatari’s. [Via Saishin Anime Jōhō]
Well maybe there won’t be a second season…
Really? I’d like the anime be more accurate with the novels. If there are 15 chapters, you definetly make my day happy
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Sergio, estoy tratando de entender mejor tu postura. Estoy seguro sabes más Japonés que yo (ya que no puedo mantener largas conversaciones) pero menos mal que hiciste el “quote” del original.
Entendido tu enfásis sobre la postura de la mamá de Kirino: podría haber raccionado de una manera mucho más fuerte y con firmeza al prácticamente corroborar el hecho que sus hijos tengan una reacción sentimental.
Pero, por su manera de expresarse simplemente tenía conocimiento y no me imaginaría a una mujer (culturalmente) hablando de otra manera, conociendo el típico estéreopico de “Okaasan” que se ve en los animés.
Es que observo que buscas una ruda postura, muy típica a la del papá, y por lo que he visto, son personalidades totalmente distintas. Ahora bien, que haya sido el papá el que haya descubierto todo, estoy seguro que su manera de expresarse sería otra.
Aunque las palabras por sí sola no lo expresan todo, me explico:
“ついに妹に手を出したのね”
Yo lo entendí de esta manera: “Finalmente te saliste con tuya con tu hermana, no?
Una versión animada de esto, tendría que tener un tono de indignación amplio, ya teniendo algún tipo de conocimiento del hecho. Pero bueno, es difícil expresarse en palabras, ya que estás forman un pequeño porcentaje del mensaje en la comunicación. La tonalidad de la voz, la gestualización o la reacción corporal representa más de la mitad del mensaje. (aunque todo esto que te digo te debe parecer obvio)
En lo personal creo que depende de cómo lo dijo más de que exactamente con que palabras lo dijo. Te puedo decir con lo que sé de Japonés que me pareció perfectamente normal que hablara de esa manera. Y con el segundo ね, mi opinión personal es que usa mucho el ね como coletilla, yo hubiese colocado un “yo”. Pero como dijiste que esas eran las últimas dos líneas del Light-novel . Quizás quizo hacer un poco de rima. Aunque tuve una profesora en mi facultad ,con la que practicaba algo de mi Japonés, y lo usaba más de la cuenta, sin tanto sentido aparente.(lo único que como era lindísima se le veía TAN MOE xD).
P.D: Por cierto, muchísimas gracias, por bloggear tus sumarios de las novelas ligeras de Oreimo! Las estoy buscando pero en mi país se me hace tan difícil de conseguir los dólares para comprarlas y si no fuese por ti, no podría saber que ocurre más allá de la serie/manga. Gracias de verdad, Sergio.
Bueno, pues parece que mas gente piensa que es un tono normal para la situacion. Por eso lo cite, porque como eso era mi interpretacion (a diferencia de simplemente contar hechos que ocurren) no queria que la gente luego me echara en cara haberlo adaptado a lo que yo quiero, porque claro, precisamente y lo reconozco, me gustaria que la madre terminara aceptandolo en el futuro.
Aun asi, no es que yo esperara que se liara a pu;etazos con Kyousuke o a gritar y a insultar, pero si esperaba que, si realmente cree que esta teniendo una relacion de indole romantica con su hermana, actuara de manera mas nerviosoa y desquiciada. A ver, es un tabu fortisimo, que de repente su hijo ande por ahi andando agarradito y pegado a su hermana tres a;os mas joven que el. Es que no se, esperaria algo, mas histerico, mas enfadado, mas drama.
hahaha Supongo entonces que tienes problemas con las personas acusándote de tomar posturas. Sé que quieres ser imparcial, pero a la final es tu Blog. Como todo periódico tiene su línea editorial y en este caso son tus preferencias. Tratas de ser imparcial y lo demuestras, aunque dices lo que piensas pero te basas en los hechos para que las personas se hagan su opinión luego. !Déjalos! Creo que la gran mayoría de nosotros quisiese ver como se rompe ese Tabú en la serie y como tendrían que convivir con eso en la sociedad(que estoy seguro que no lo aceptaría y con la postura conservadora del papá, tampoco dentro de su círculo familiar). Por eso, aunque se gusten, creo que Kyousuke no terminará con ella. No vivirían una vida feliz aparentando no ser nada y viviendo juntos.
Kuroneko/Ruri FTW ALL THE WAY! I find Kuroneko VERY VERY CUTE! MUCH BETTER THAN KIRINO! I’ve seen the Digital Lover doujin about her and damn that was sooo cute and hot! Anyways, just came to tell you guys that its been confirmed that this couple is real (not pretend lovers or anything), see this interview with the author: http://blog.livedoor.jp/geek/archives/51093120.html(note: the author admits he doesnt like Kirino)
Well. :/ I might as well stop watching this anime then. I’m in it all for Kirino. I’m not a fan of Kuroneko. /me sighs. Anime these days are so full of dissapoint. – - I can’t bare to watch my dear Kirino be torn emotionally. She already has it hard enough. /me sighs again. I’m now just disappointed instead of mad. I thought this would be incest, not a gothloli x idiot anime. Hopes have been torn. My inner fangirl isn’t cheering anymore. Thanks. ; ; You ruined the hopes of a young girl!
ARGH!!!! This is WHY I NEVER LIKED KURONEKO. I want the fucking INCEST. Damn emo loli. – - Kirino will always be way better than that damn cat.
/me pissed off.
I want the god damn incest. D: Kuroneko. All teh taimu. Freaking author of this. Freaking. God> ARGH.
FFFF– So UPSETTING.
I TOTALLY agree. If he doesn’t end up w/ Kirino I will so definitely cry T_T
I must say I still prefer some kind of harem-ending. Just because I don’t want to see the hopes of either girl utterly destroyed. That would be a really sad ending.
hi,
i recently discover the manga, so i’m glad you summarize the novels…
I sympatize a lot with kyosuke, because i’m so much dense too (and is a real problem in real life). speaking to the last evolution of the story, i think that, because kuroneko is a replacement for manami, kyosuke will start a relationship with here, because she represent the safe and easy way of life he dreamed before. but in the long (don’t know how really long) he will choose kirino, because she represente the true love, the one that make you feel relly alive, that push you to go where you no think you could go (remember all the things he did for her sister even he don’t want, begin to the dipute he has with their severe father he feared so much?), to challenge social convention too.
for the fact the autor want to maintani a comedy atmosfere, is it possible also with an incest ending (is a novel afterall) when they encounter resistance with they parent at the start and then are able to convince and start a new life…
All in all I have the same opinion, or rather, the same wish! But I don’t know if that will be possible. But yes, it’s a work of fiction, there’s no reason why the author shouldn’t be able to maintain the comedy while providing an incest ending.
And by the way, I’m also very dense, which led to many problems, above all when I was in high school (now, not to so many since I’m virtually a neet
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there is another tough i’d like to add, about the incest thing; i see it as a double chance for the autor, the first and more obvious is that is a trasgresive theme to catch attention, the second (that for me is the most part here) is to describe the diffucult to certain people to take out their feeling for others, in a more objective way, instead of focusing on personal shyness (for example) that often is not easily understood and make look the character dumb and boring.
So in our case, if kyosuke and kirino where simply friends (in a group), the fact that she has these feelings for him (and viceversa) and don’t say cleary it can look too unrealistic, while, being sibilings is obvious that they can’t say it so easily (a condition in witch are also people very shy, but a lot don’t understand that, thinkin that they don’t want)
I appreciate your work so much , it’s awesome . I’ll wait for your summary when vol 8 will be released .
PLEASE!!!!
keep translating and posting till the end of story
Of course I will. As for volume 8, I don’t know when it will come out. Judging from when the novels usually came out, between March and May 2011
I’m from peru and I’m very grateful for your work, thanks for the summaries of the novel light
I’m a little curious about one big point, at least a big point to me, it’s pretty typical to suddenly reveal that the bro/sis aren’t blood related and one is adopted. Perhaps Kirino or Kyousuke is adopted… Its been stated several times how they (kir/kyo) don’t look alike at all. I don’t think its ever actually said they were true blood siblings either. Perhaps this has something to do with the past, like they found out they weren’t related and this made their relationship go sour when they were young, and maybe that’s why their mother seems to have been expecting Kyousuke to lay his hands on Kirino since he knows they aren’t really related. Also perhaps this has something to do with the phone call like Kirino told Ruri they aren’t real bro/sis and the long talk was partially about it…. I think that this could lead to a Kirino/Kyousuke ending since thats how these usually go… I really cant wait for vol 8!!!!!!
On another note THX Sergio, I can’t wait for your summary of volume 8, each new summary makes my day!
Personally I’d hate it if they weren’t blood related. That plot is way overdone. But I do hope that it has a Kirino/Kyousuke ending.
Kirino is so cute <3
i’m really sorry to put this post in here, since i can’t find the comment box in the right place
i’m really curious about MM! do you still planning to continue the summaries??
it appears in animesuki forum that MM! light novel has reached volume 10, and it’s been a while since your last MM! post, so i’m wondering do still summarizing or not??
once again i applologize for asking in the wrong room, thx for your kindness..
Don’t worry, I don’t mind if you post here your question. Comments cannot be posted in posts that are older than 2 months to avoid spam. You can always use the forum (you can see a link on the right) for this type of questions though.
As for MM, yes, I want to continue blogging the novels, but right now I’m reading Kampfer and I won’t have money to buy them for a while, but as soon as I can, I will.
whooaaa thx….glad to hear it
Lol.. Interesting manga… except for some parts which suspiciously smell of a secret
She is going out with Mikagami.
“We even kissed”
Kuroneko glares at her.
“You…”
“Do you want to say something to me” says Kirino defiantly.
Kuroneko doesn’t reply and they try to start the party, but it’s useless. Before leaving, Ruri says that she can’t waste her time with a brat.
Which to me.. sounded something like Kuroneko might had an idea of what Kirino had in store for Kyousuke…
And.. another thing… Well..
“that the curse cannot be lifted. But if he grants her her wish, another curse will be lifted. His curse will be overwritten by a more powerful curse.”
i was thinking… around the lines like “the curse cannot be lifted” meant something like kuroneko would love him forever…
and “her wish” was that they would spend awhile together for a month or two then Kyousuke would go for his sister which seems logical to me as 1) no matter how much kuroneko hates kurino, she still is her friend and 2) idk.. that idea seemed a little gothic-like to me and Ruri seems to be a big fan of gothic stuff IMO
I’m Sorry if i typed too much >.< got a lil over-excited while typing this.
How did they become lovers in the book did it jus happen o.o. Like did she say i will lift your curse and thats it
Dude, you’re fucking awesome.
NOOO KIRINO! D: Even if this is a summary…I was really feeling the “Kirino shouldn’t have a boyfriend” feeling. XD An overprotective family member ftw? I dunno I like Kuroneko but I’ve gotta root for Kirino just because I’m a huge fan of Tsundere. (oh poor me I feel like a masochist lolz).
Kirno gooo take your Aniki back from Kuroneko! (and on an unrelated note…Akiha is awesome for old school imouto tsundere. Semi Old school)
I felt the same when Kirino aparently had a boyfriend, this is a amazing volume. I only want to know how will be the things after this. Kirino will continue with her tsundere mood or will change? Kyouske started to have love feelings for Kuroneko?
I really want to finish my classes to go to watch the last chapter of oreimo anime
Excellent! Thank you for the summary!
Although I can’t quite put my finger on it, I keep predicting that a horrible (but AWESOMEPIC) backlash will happen. Maybe I’ve just gotten used to Kirino’s decisive tactics when matters involve her brother? Now that I look back, those always turn out to be extremely enjoyable from my perspective.
Looking forward for volume 8!
Now tell me. WHY THE FUCK they put this shit a title “my SISTER can’t be this cute”, and all those hint about incest, all their moments together, the engagment ring, Kirino’s games and etc, to the end, Kyousuke ends up with a random friend???? This can’t be acceptable!! How stupid manga, screw you Japan!
Before I even start this, let me thank Sergio for the summaries. Greatly appreciated >3<
I’ve been through the anime and what was available of the manga, when I came across the light novel. (Unfortunately) not being able to read japanese, your summaries really helped satisfy the anxiety I had not knowing the full story behind the novels x3
I won’t post my full hypothesis here, since it’ll be too long @.@, i’ll just post a small tidbit and see if it rolls into a discussion, then which I can fully iterate what I want to say now d:
Quote: “But if he grants her her wish, another curse will be lifted. His curse will be overwritten by a more powerful curse.”
Ruri could; herself, be setting up her own self-destruct flag on purpose.
After a long talk with Kirino, a decision was made; which could break down into either:
She’s dating Kyousuke under a challenge that even if she has him, that he’d still end up “on her route” (Kirino’s), proving that above all obstacles, they were still meant to end up together. Which, in my opinion, even if Kirino is in deredere mode, it’s out of character.
Or.
“But if he grants her her wish, another curse will be lifted”. The curse of her loving and/or hope or wish to be with him. If she knows his feelings that well, and knows she will end up losing in the end, she, at the very least, wants to have the fact that she had him, if even for a little bit. That she was known as his lover, that they dated, etc.
“His curse will be overwritten by a more powerful curse.” This curse, is of course the curse of the incest. It could be as deep as them having to go against everyone and the taboo to be together, to as simple as the curse of removing Ruri’s love curse and having it replaced with Kirino’s curse, which is the stronger super bro-con love.
Blah, this got long anyway x.x so I’ll stop here. There’s more, but this is what I speculate in the very least.
As for who i’m rooting for…. Well…. Honestly i’m not sure yet. But I guess i’m 52/48 Kirino’s favor. For now ^^;
kuroneko is just win <3
To help you with your translation woes(though I suspect someone had already said something like this):
“Ne” is appended at the end not only to add softness, but also when what is being said is expected to be already known, such as “今日はいい天気です[ね]” or “Today is fine weather isn’t it~”
Contrast with “今日はいい天気です[よ]。” which would translate something like “Today is fine weather you know”
If you translate it literally they mean the same thing “Today is fine weather”, so I get why you’re so confused.
The ne here isn’t for softening the sentence, but to make it clearer that it’s a matter of course that she will not allow it.
Also, Tsui ni is usually used for a situation which is undesirable, but could not be helped.
I really wish I could just read the novels myself, considering that I’ve studied Jap until this much, but your advantage over me is your strength in Kanji =p
I’ll take this chance to thank you for your summaries that I stumbled upon through google :3
As for the obaasan part, i’m guessing it’s normal to refer to one’s self in third person, especially when making a point like this.
Not as much confidence gusto as my previous two comments.
i don’t like this…
still hope Kyousuke likes Kirino and not Kuroneko
bcause i’ll be glad if Kyousuke and Kirino become the lovers (incestftw) huahuahau
thanks for the summaries btw
Agree what @Date said
Thre’s no way my little sister can be this cute?
and finally Kyousuke going out with Kuroneko, not Kirino?
How unacceptable!
Thanks for the summaries, what would be of us if we didn’t have ‘em.
Do you have any idea when the next volume will come out?
Sorry, I don’t know
wow what an awesome volume!!!!…. ruris’s became kyou-chan lovers??
i can’t wait to see vol.8 do you know when vl. 8 will be out?
Thanks for the summaries ^_^. The vibe that i’m getting is that kuroneko will date kyousuke (with kirino’s initial support) and in the end will separate as she sees the only way for him to be happy is with kirino. Also with the parents knowing about the siscon games/material since early in the series I would imagine the mother is not happy but also not that surprised. Gotta say i’m hoping for a kyousuke+Kirino ending as well. BTW I watched the anime first and then read the summaries, every time Kirino did something mean to kyousuke she would come back later and do something soooo cute. Dammit I dont want to like to Kirino but I cant help it
I just reread the last part.
Of course I am all thinking he should end up with Kirino and some implications are there, but there is something on my chest.
The part about “lifting the curse”. She tells him she wants to lift the curse, but it cannot be lifted. But it can be overwritten with another curse, if he grants her wish. There are some abstract theories about that, but the simplest one is that the curse is his love to Kirino. She can’t stop it, but overwrite it with her own “curse”, if he accepts to date her. This is the most likely theory, but the one that doesn’t imply any plan to get Kyousuke and Kirino together in the end.
i think you miss something. The course was the kiss ruri gave to kyosuke before he goes to america to take back kirino.
the language of kuroneko can be strange at the start, but is not too difficult to understand:
“my eys surpass the human’s” = “i’m smart and understand very well even the unexpressed”
“i give you curse” = “i will enter in contact with you both phisically and emotionally”
OK..
As of now…
its a Hit or Miss for Ruri-san…
A bold move by becoming a lover(its either a yes or no from now on)
and since im tired of the butthurt Kirinofans who insult her
GO RURI-saN!! XD
THe Phone call has to be something
like Ruri-tan announcing her claim over Kyousuke-san,and Kirino-san fighting back
and htey escalate to a high-fight XD
COME ON!
WIN THIS KURONEKO!
HEck,you even evolved to ShiroNeko already
THIS IS EASY RIGHT? XDXDXD
Sergio cuando saldra la proxima?
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que mes y dia si no es mucho pedir
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me encanto la serie
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No se sabe, lo siento. Yo tambien quisiera saberlo!
thanks for the summary!
i still plan on reading the LN, do you know any places where i can read the a translated version of them?
We definitely need a harem ending here T.T
I dont want to see any of the girls hurt and/or with another guy
(that would be really awkward and unfitting)
So lets see what is to come!
(And definitely NO school days ending)
Man, you are so incredible, read in japanese and translate directly to english with a logical and very deeply narrative, wow!!!
Ademas hablas espaniol, Genial!!! Me eh vuelto Fan de esta pagina por ti!!!
Thanx for you Job!!!
From another Spaniard named Sergio: You, sir, are a boon to the fans of this series. Seriously, thank you so much for these summaries.
Muchisimas gracias, vielen dank, and keep up the great work!
He must choose Manami. I mean sure it’s exciting with the other ones but, the time he sleep at her house, the way they could be so comfortable together, that’s marriage material. Even manami’s grand parents keep asking when they’ll get married.
I’d settle for a harem ending just as long as he chooses Manami. (I used to be a male version of Manami, so I sympathize).
This scenario keeps popping in my head & I must put it out there, what I want to see in the next volume.
So what I want to see is He must choose Manami. I mean sure it’s exciting with the other ones but, the time he sleep at her house, the way they could be so comfortable together, that’s marriage material. Even manami’s grand parents keep asking when they’ll get married.
I’d settle for a harem ending just as long as he chooses Manami. (I used to be a male version of Manami, so I sympathize).
This scenario keeps popping in my head & I must put it out there, what I want to see in the next volume.
So what I want to see is He must choose Manami. I mean sure it’s exciting with the other ones but, the time he sleep at her house, the way they could be so comfortable together, that’s marriage material. Even manami’s grand parents keep asking when they’ll get married.
I’d settle for a harem ending just as long as he chooses Manami. (I used to be a male version of Manami, so I sympathize).
This scenario keeps popping in my head & I must put it out there, what I want to see in the next volume.
So what I want to see is Manami go to Kyousuke’s room to have an important private talk with him. Since she’s so shy she can’t just out right confess. So she asks him questions about what kind of girls he likes & about the meganekko porn she saw in his room earlier before finally asking what he thinks of her.
Kyousuke being the dense thick-headed dumb-$#^ that he is says something along the lines of “I like you as a friend & enjoy the peaceful times we spend together” etc etc
Manami apoligizes but, says that they can no longer be friends & bolts from the room.
Kyousuke chases & catches her as she’s heading out the door grabs her arm and asks why,
she responds (misty eyed) becasuse it hurts too much being around you, she then takes off running for home.
Kyousuke catches her again outside her house & say’s he does’nt understand, she turns tears streaming freely down her face & says “Because it hurts too much just being friends with the man I’m in love with, knowing he doesn’t love me back” *sobs* to be continued
That’s the cliff hanger I want to see in the next novel. That scenario would fit perfectly for someone like Manami. Trying to end the friendship without explaining & having the truth dragged out like that, is perfect as long as he does’nt turn her down. Ahh but, it’s meant to be a comedy but, then with volume 7s ending with Kirino’s tearful semi-confession you never know.
And obviously I want Manami to win because I love shy meganekkos & I use to be a lot like her. Plus with Manami it would still be siscon because she’s like a sister to Kyousuke. Plus she has years with the guy of hiding her feelings, out of all the harem she’d be hurt the most.
Did Kyousuke ever explain to Manami about the “fake date”? Didn’t see it in mentioned in the review. Damn, must learn Kanji, or get a translator slave.
Oh & that “So you finally touched your sister” line was great, it reminded me of I don’t like you at all, big brother. How you described it too, the mom seeming outraged & yet expecting it, and maybe just me reading to much into but, possibley being somewhat realived that she knows for sure.
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Disculpa que te escriba este comentario en español y no en ingles pues pese que tengo el suficiente conocimiento de ingles para entender tus reseñas todavía mi nivel no es muy alto aunque estoy tomando cursos en la universidad.
En fin sobre tu cuestionamiento legal sobre los derechos de autor te puedo tratar de resolver pues justamente estudio derecho .Mira en primer lugar las inflaciones a derechos de autor se persigue por querella es decir que solo el titular de dichos derechos puede ejercer una acción legal en tu contra , es por esta razón de que al no perseguirse de oficio abunde inflaciones a derechos de autor en internet pues en primer lugar para que se habrá una demanda en tu contra el titular de los derechos de autor tiene que imponer una querella contra quien resulte responsable en el país de origen de tu pagina, cosa que es bastante poco usual.
Además tú no estás recibiendo un beneficio económico con lo cual no hay dolo , pero bien se considera violación a derechos de autor la reproducción total o parcial de dicha obra protegida si no cuentas con permiso del titular de dichos derechos más sin embargo hacer referencia una obra protegida , hacer un ensayo o comentar sobre ella por más extensa que se no se considera una violación a dichos derechos a sí que te recomiendo que no copies el texto de la novela pero si puedes explicar que se dijo incluso como dialogo si no es textual.
No deberías preocuparte incluso si directamente tradujeras las novelas y las subieras a tu pagina por lo complicado del proceso de una querella por derechos de autor contra quien resulte responsable en el país desde que escribes seria poco probable que esta se interpusiera y con tus reseñas te puedo asegurar que las probabilidades son nulas y además si sucediera las probabilidades de que procediera dicha querella hipotética contra tus resúmenes es ínfima.
Para concluir te agradezco las traducciones me encanta esta serie y me relaja de las presiones de la universidad, sigue a si sin miedo que estoy seguro que cada vez serán mejores resumes y aunque no me gusta acabar un texto con preposición te pregunto no sabes dónde puedo encontrar las novelas completas en español o ingles o francés pues solo encontrado el numero uno.
Bueno muchas gracias por la información, realmente lo único que he cambiado es en no copiar diálogos literalmente, pero sigo con los resumenes (actualmente con Kämpfer)
@Jintou A harem ending wouldn’t be too bad but I have to disagree about Manami..We all know those girls who are kind and in practice,would be the best for you.But,She in my opinion is way too plain.Nothing about her personality interests me compared to Ruri
where can i buy the light novels or the books ??
Try yesasia.com
I can not find them on your side
where can i buy the light novels or the books help plzz
bueno pues yo apenas termine de leer la novela asta donde la tienes en este blog, aunque de aqui en mas solo quiero saber cuando subiras el vol8 que he leido por ahi que hay un volumen 9, y con respecto a lo de laa reaccion de la madre a mi manera de ver fue algo mas de resignacion (te lo digo por experiencia) no creo que lo halla hecho en forma de enfado
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